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vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/18/10 at 05:46 PMReply with quote#1

I have a 43 year old friend who has Croyns Diasease and became addicted to perscription drugs. He has now become addicted to huffing or dusting. He has been in rehab 4 times and everytime he cycles out and does it again. It is nothing for him to do 25 to 30 cans straight before he falls out and has to be hospitalized and then sent to rehab for 10 days then the cycle starts again. At this rate, especially after what I have read, he probably will kill himself with this computer duster stuff. His Mother stays in despair constantly over this and we are helpless to do anything for him because of his age. I can not beleive that this product continues to be sold so freely. The manufacturers obviously know that they aren't enjoying their record sales because everyone is cleaning thier computers this much. Come on! They have to know. Putting a danger warning on the can is useless as well as limiting the number of cans or the age. I read on here where a lady asked if anyone has gone after the manufacturers and retailers who are knowly selling "death" in a can and I didn't read any answer to her question. Has anyone? Where are the politicians in this discussion? I have spoke with the store managers at Walmart, Office Depot and Staples where he is buying this crap and they all admitted they knew what this stuff is capable of but passed the buck to corporate. To me this is no different than selling a drunk whiskey knowing he is drunk because it is obvious he is impaired and they ring him right up to drive away. Is it going to take the deaths of an important person's child or some other innocent person in a car crash somewhere to get someone's attention?

tylersmom
Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 26

    07/19/10 at 01:00 PMReply with quote#2

I agree with you 100%.  Bitterant is only included to make manufacturers feel less guilty for basically marketing death in a can.  This can and does kill across all demographics.  It's addictive properties are fearsome.  I sent a letter to my state's attorney general, and I recommend everyone else do the same.  I received a letter from the president of the manufacturer (after I sent him a letter regarding my son's death at age 24 after 3 weeks of duster use) and part of his response was "it fufills many important uses".  I ASK YOU - WHAT USE CAN HE NAME THAT IS MORE VITAL THAN THE LOSS OF A CHILD, A PARENT, A SPOUSE, A FRIEND?????????  I will lead the fight to have this product outlawed or placed on a list of controlled substances until the day I die.


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vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/19/10 at 01:51 PMReply with quote#3

My friend is now in the hospital in serious condition and we found "50" that's right "50" empty cans in his floor that he huffed over a 3 to 4 day period. He bought out the supply of all the retailers in the area apparently in his town of 50,000 people. He was buying them 3 - 2-packs at a time, you think office max thought this drunk looking guy was cleaning that many computers? I don't think so. SO what is inhalant.org doing in this whole thing? Mr. Moderator why don't you fill me in on how the fight is going to have this crap banned or at least controlled and these fat cats being held accountable.  

janesmith
Registered: 10/16/08
Posts: 154

    07/19/10 at 01:56 PMReply with quote#4

vfellers - I am very sorry that you're having such a difficult time with your friend.  The person with the addiction has to want to get better for him/herself, and addicts seem to have their own "rock bottom".  (I do agree about the computer duster and how one may instead just use the suction from a vacuum cleaner to clean the computer keyboard and who knows how old the customers are that are purchasing the cleaner.)  If the addict resumes using the substance(s), the family and friends who are affected by the addict's behavior may really benefit from getting help for themselves. 

A free 12-step support group called Nar-Anon is for the relatives and friends of the addict:  http://www.nar-anon.org 

Al-Anon is another free 12-step group that is generally for the family members and friends of the problem drinker, but one may attend an "open" meeting if the person doesn't use alcohol:  http://www.al-anon.alateen.org

The following site has some information on the process of a family intervention (**best done with a certified interventionist or addictions counselor and it's not usually covered by health insurance).  It's not a given that the addict will agree to go into treatment (preferably long-term treatment, especially in your friend's case), but at least those that participate in the intervention may let the addict know how his behavior is affecting each of their lives and any consequences that will be put forth if refusing treatment.  Those consequences may include not having any contact with that individual, not giving that person money, not making excuses (such as to the addict's boss) for why the person behaved the way that he/she did or anything alone those lines.  http://www.drugfree.org/Intervention/HelpingOthers

Hoping that your friend really commits to a program.  Please do get help for yourself (and hopefully his mother will, too).  I'm not sure how to get someone involuntarily committed to a locked psychiatric facility, but perhaps the local municipal building may advise.  Once the person gets into treatment, it's ultimately up to that person to want to get well.  Please take good care of yourself, and keep us posted.


tylersmom
Registered: 02/09/10
Posts: 26

    07/19/10 at 03:12 PMReply with quote#5

It's me again.  I just completed writing a letter to the president and CEO of Falcon Safety Products, who were the inventors of compressed-air duster.  YES, YOU HEARD IT CORRECTLY - THEY HAVE THE WORD SAFETY IN THEIR NAME.  How is that for irony?  I wrote it in response to a letter I received from him after I sent a letter to him regarding the death of my son.  Basically he said - we put bitterants in their, we support education, there are many positive uses for it, etc.  I dared him to come up with one use that was more important than the life of even one person.  I told him bitterants were only put in there to make the manufacturer feel better about marketing a lethal product.  I told him I would go to my grave begging state Attorneys General, state Departments of Consumer Protection, the US Food and Drug Administration, and whoever else I can get to listen to ban this product or delegate it to the list of controlled substances.  PLEASE - WILL YOU ALL JOIN ME IN MY CAMPAIGN?  Contact those persons in your state.  Contact the President of Falcon Safety Products at the following address:

Philip M. Lapin
Falcon Safety Products
25 ImClone Drive
PO Box 1299
Branchburg, NJ  08876-1299

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janesmith
Registered: 10/16/08
Posts: 154

    07/20/10 at 01:09 PMReply with quote#6

vfellers - I am really sorry to hear about your friend and having found so many empty cans on the floor.  He's very fortunate that he is not in a persistent vegetative state, at this point.  No one can imagine what you're feeling and how overwhelmed you are with uncertainty.

If you would like, I can send you an email of my friend's message about how she has a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI) from huffing at the age of 12, now in her 30s.  Perhaps you can forward the message to your friend, the hospital, the local school district or such.  I'm certainly going to send her message to the address that tylersmom provided, too.  Please take good care of yourself, and make sure that you get enough rest even while trying to be supportive of your friend and his family.  You will be in all of our prayers, and please do keep us posted.  
vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/20/10 at 01:35 PMReply with quote#7

Jane,
Thank you for your concern. We are lucky that he isn't dead or in a vegetative state at this point. As an update, the count on the empties we found instead of 50 is now 72. We found them in another room as well. I find myself very angry at him and at the retailers who sold him 72 cans in 3 days and at the manufacturers who make this can of death. I am sorry, this mamby-pamby response of "well it has it's good uses as well" BULL! These manufacturers, and retailers know their sales they enjoy on the duster cans aren't for their "good uses". How many drunk-looking, strung-out junkies do they have coming in buying (3) 2-packs at a time ( that is 6 cans) several times a day and not know what is going on? I don't buy it for a second. Is anyone educating these retailers making them see the results of their sales efforts in real life? Is any of these inhalant abuse sites taking a stand? I read a flyer on this "inhalant.org" website with a disclaimer on the flyer saying it is important to note that "when used properly" it is completely safe. Well guess what, the people buying it are to stoned and don't care what it "could" be used for, they just know it has them ADDICTED. Period. And saying something stupid like that doesn't make these parents feel one bit better nor does it make it OK. They wouldn't sell a drunk man a bottle of Whiskey, hopefully, because they are afraid it would incriminate them so why isn't this any different?  
QueshiaB
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Registered: 06/16/06
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    07/26/10 at 05:20 PMReply with quote#8

vfellers- Very sorry to hear about your friend, hope he is doing better.  Think janesmith offers some good suggestions. Our role (www.inhalant.org) in all of this is to raise awareness on the issue of inhalant abuse.  We feel, like many other organizations, that education is a key component in fighting this issue.  With so many products that can be abused, education is the most comprehensive tool as people need to be aware of abuse, signs/symptoms, effects, etc.  Per your comment, if sales people were educated on some signs of an abuser they may think twice before selling something to someone in that state or at least get a manager.

This site is for the Alliance for Consumer Education's Inhalant Abuse Program; we have 2 other programs we manage. Unfortunately, we have limited staff (2 people full time) and money, so we hope to empower people and communities to get the conversation going locally. We wanted to provide people with real life examples of dangerous effects and provide them with a place to ask questions and connect with each other so we set up this message board.

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vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/26/10 at 06:19 PMReply with quote#9

Thank you very much for your reply. There is no doubt that the support that your site provides is very valuable to users and their families and friends. I commend you and all your volunteers for their efforts. I can't help but believe that education at the retail level would be important to fighting this problem. If you take away the excuse of ignorance from these retailers and manufacturers then accountablity shouldn't be far behind. To that end, is there any printed material directed toward retailers explaining the dangers of these products and warning them of the dangers of the sale of these products to impaired customers? If so,could you please let me know. 

QueshiaB
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Registered: 06/16/06
Posts: 644

    07/26/10 at 07:04 PMReply with quote#10

vfellers- Thanks for your kind words, but true credit is due to people like you who ask tough questions, and janesmith and tylersmom who take the time to share their personal stories to let people know real consequences of inhaling.

We have an Inhalant Abuse Prevention Kit which is pretty much a resource in a box (brochures, FAQ sheet, Facilitator Guide, etc).  Here's a link: http://inhalant.org/media/kit.php.  If you want me to send you a hard copy, please send me an email Qbradley@ConsumerEd.org.  Thanks to a Maryland mom, who reached out to her local pharmacy, we were able to get our brochures in Giant and Stop & Shop pharmacies during National Inhalants and Poisons Awareness Week. Would love to duplicate this again one day with Royal Ahold or any other retail stores out there who would be open to it. (Sidenote: I could put you in touch with that mom if you'd like)

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cerrick
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Registered: 03/30/10
Posts: 40

    07/27/10 at 08:52 AMReply with quote#11

I made up fliers of my own. And I have been presenting them to managers any time I enter a store that sells computer dusting spray. I have had positive and negative feedback. But we have to start somewhere. And at the local level is a beginning to something!

It Is Not Just “Canned Air”

(Her Picture)

 

 

Jennifer Wigley

Nov. 1, 1972-Dec. 28, 2009

 

 It is addictive…I can’t go into a store anymore… it is legal.” –Jennifer Wigley

·        Computer dusting spray is increasingly being abused by both children and adults.

·        Computer dusting spray is highly addictive and often fatal.

·        Computer dusting spray is an accessible, inexpensive and legal way to get high.

 

Please support efforts in your store to help prevent the abuse of inhalants.

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vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/27/10 at 02:05 PMReply with quote#12

Your right! That is a good start. What state are you in? I am in Texas, but my friend is in West Virginia that is abusing this death in a can. Queshia is mailing me a hard copy of their media kit. Once I see it I can determine how it can be used with maybe some modifications to be something that can be presented to these retailers. I just think if you educate them then they can't say they didn't know and therefore education should lead to accountibility or at least it should. If we can put something like this together that can be easily accesible and downloadable and printed off then everyone wanting to help can print these out and make sure they are in every managers hand at every retailer selling this crap asking them to educate their cashiers and employees on the dangers to hopefully get it where if you look impaired they refuse to sell it to you. Wouldn't that be helpful. It isn't the answer to the problem but it might help. There is no accountibility now for sure. The Office Max was selling my friend three (3) two-packs at a time (6 cans) and he looked like a walking corpse and they didn't think a thing about it. I would like to think that process could change if they get some attention brought to it and them. Maybe I am dreaming or maybe not.

streetcop
Registered: 07/31/10
Posts: 2

    07/31/10 at 12:19 PMReply with quote#13

I am writing this for Tylersmom and the others who have replied to her posts. First let me say my heart goes out to both Tylersmom and Cerrick and all the others here who have lost someone to huffing. I also know the pain. I lost my son Kyle on March 2nd 2005. My wife went to wake him up for school and found him sitting up in bed with a can of Dust Off in his lap and a red straw sticking out of his mouth. It was the worst day of my life.

 

          Since that day I have learned a lot about inhalant abuse. I now give talks about inhalant abuse all over the country and I would like to share some of what I have learned and what I try to teach to others. I also want to correct a statement that was said but was not true. I am doing this because it is very important to me and I think everyone will understand once they read it.

 

          When Kyle first died I also wanted to ban Computer dusters. Then I learned that there are over 1400 different everyday household products that are abused as inhalants. There are well over 50 products right now on the shelves that use the exact same propellant as the computer dusters. How do we ban just one? I do know from being a police officer users will just go to a different product for their high. It won’t stop the abusers from getting high; it will only make them change the product that they are using. So how do we stop or slow down inhalant abuse. Study upon study show that the best way to fight inhalant abuse is through education. We must teach as many people as we can about how deadly inhalant abuse is. Many people, especially children, think it can’t hurt them. Hell, we teach them this ourselves when there little. How many of us have or have seen an adult take a balloon and then talk funny in front of kids. I’m sure most of you know what I’m talking about without me going further into it. What did we just teach them? What we have to teach everyone is that most inhalants are a poison. They not only can hurt you, they will the very first time you use them. This will cut down on inhalant use and deaths.

 

          I am sure very few know that there is NO federal money earmarked for Inhalant abuse education. If were lucky, there are some trickle down funds that were assigned to overall drug abuse. What we need to be doing is calling our Congressman and demanding money for inhalant abuse education. Inhalant abuse is not dealt with in the Boy Scout handbook. It’s not in the Dare programs. It’s just not anywhere. We have to educate. This I can tell you. Most parents don’t know the signs of inhalant abuse. Most teachers don’t know the signs of inhalant abuse. Most Paramedics, Police Officers, Firefighter and Doctors don’t know the signs of inhalant abuse.

 

          I agree the fight here is huge. But with so few people and with so few resources to fight inhalant abuse we can’t afford to not be on a united front. It is undisputed that education will have the biggest effect on slowing inhalant abuse and that there is almost no money out there to fund any education programs. I honestly believe that this is what we need to be fighting for.

 

          I add this next part because it is important to me. I am sure you will understand if you read it. A few months after Kyle died I did a series of interviews. At this time there were no bitterants being added to any Duster products. This was one of the main points I was screaming about to anyone who would listen. There needed to be a bitterant added to this product. I fought and fought for it. Approximately six months after Kyle’s death I called Falcon (Dust Off) and spoke with Phil Lapin (CEO). I strongly expressed my feelings about adding a bitterant. Phil Lapin advised me that since Kyle’s death they were again going to try to add a bitterant to their product. Approximately six months later they succeeded. I have always felt that this was now part of Kyle’s legacy and it makes me feel as if Kyle didn’t die for nothing. I also have realized since this that while adding a bitterant will stop some from abusing dusters it will not stop all or maybe even most but I am sure it has made some difference.

 

          I also want to say this so everyone knows. I have worked with many people, organizations and company’s that help me give talks on inhalant abuse. I receive no money from any of them now nor never have or will. They do sometimes pay my travel expenses, (air and hotel) when I give a talk. I will list just a few that are related to this:

 

Falcon Safety Supply, (Dust Off ) limited and in the years right after Kyle’s death.

Alliance for Consumer Education.(ACE)  This site.  I am on the Board of Trustee’s and am setting up a resource site through them where people can go to get the basic very important information on inhalants and where people who have lost a love one to inhalants can post a web page to them.

National Inhalant Prevention Coalition.

 

I would gladly work with anyone who I believe really cares about stopping inhalant abuse deaths. Yes, that includes Falcon. I don’t care who they are as long as they are doing it for the right reasons. I would also stop working with anyone who I felt started acting in a self serving way or was using me to try to legitimize them. 

 

vfellers
Registered: 07/18/10
Posts: 8

    07/31/10 at 02:28 PMReply with quote#14

Streetcop,
First, I am sorry for your loss. No one should ever have to experience that in their lifetime. I commend you on your dedication and your accomplishments with your efforts to educate the public on inhalant abuse. Having someone I care about huffing his brain away just breaks my heart and makes me angry as well. But, at least he is still alive and I am trying to help get him to understand what he is doing and change before he dies from it.

It goes without saying that the paramont need in inhalant abuse is education for parents and all the people who come in contact with a huffer and especially the user themself. Websites like this one and folks like you and Tylersmom and Cerrick who have lost someone to this killer and have lost so much are able to help so many others with your testimony. Whether you realize how much that means or not, it does. I personally appreciate your efforts and pray that God lets your words and your efforts work for those who need so desperately to hear them and if they are able to save even one life then you have accomplished a wonderful thing for all of us.  

As you may have read in my posts, one of the areas I noticed a huge void was at the retailer level where they didn't seem to have any way of educating these managers or their cashiers about the dangers of these products and selling them in quantity to people who are obviously impaired. Could I get your imput on that subject? I would like to help and that seems to be an area that might be helpful.

streetcop63
Registered: 02/02/10
Posts: 6

    08/16/10 at 09:23 PMReply with quote#15

Vfellers,

 

              I am sorry it took me so long to get back to you. I went on vacation and just got back. I do understand about what you are saying about the retailers. Shortly after Kyle’s death I went into a Gamestop store and saw that they had a large bin hanging off the front of the counter containing computer dusters.  Hey could easily be stolen without anyone noticing. I called for the manager and told him about Kyle’s death and asked if he would move the computer dusters behind the counter. He advised me that they were located where corporate wanted them and he was not going to move them. I have not gone back in the store since. I personally do not think many stores really care who they sell to until pressure is put on them. The Today Show story and follow-up story on who 5 major stores sold to, got one store to stop selling computer dusters all together and the others to train their employee’s on the store’s policies regarding computer dusters.  I personally believe that these products should not be sold to anyone under 18. The problem is many stores who even have this policy do not enforce it. If enough of us get together and make enough noise we can get them to enforce their own policies or make ones that they should already have. Let’s get together and work on this. Email me at streetcop63@aol.com. We can get a workable plan together and then get the help of the other posters here. Retailers follow our money and voices. Let’s get their attention. A great side effect will be media attention, which will allow us to get information out about inhalant abuse.

 

                     Jeff Williams

 

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